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Number of BIGs / Nombre de BIGs ?
1.000 BIGs exactly
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more than 1.000 /plus de 1.000
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less than 1.000 / moins de 1.000
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PostSubject: 1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour   1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour Icon_minitimeFri Oct 05, 2007 9:53 am

Do you think that one value of the challenge B.I.G stays in its closed list with 1.000 precise BIGs and not more or do you think that we have to open the list one day to increase it or to close it more and to decrease it ?
Pensez-vous qu'une valeur du challenge B.I.G réside dans sa liste fermée de 1.000 noms précis et pas plus ou pensez-vous que nous devons ouvrir la liste un jour pour l'augmenter ou la fermer encore plus pour la diminuer ?

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PostSubject: Re: 1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour   1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour Icon_minitimeWed Oct 10, 2007 1:10 am

Quelques arguments en faveur du maintien du nombre 1.000
* nombre accessible sur une vie (50 ans à 20 BIGs ou 20 ans à 50 BIGs)
* honnêteté face aux premiers du classement qui s'approchent du Graal
* nombre rond mis en exergue publicitaire dans les titres des journaux
* évitement d'une nouvelle refonte totale des listes (travail énorme)
Comment intégrer malgré tout la plupart des belles ascensions oubliées ?
* en promouvant des challenges externes comme CIMA (1.000 en zone 6)
* en incitant des challenges identiques en Italie, France, Allemagne,...
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Some arguments in favour of the maintenance of number 1.000
* a number accessible on a life (50 years with 20 BIGs or 20 years with 50 BIGs)
* honesty with the first of the classification which approach Graal
* a round number very promotional in the titles of the newspapers
* avoidance of a new total recasting of the lists (enormous work)
How to integrate despite everything the majority of the beautiful forgotten rises?
* by promoting external challenges like CIMA (1.000 in zone 6)
* in incentive of the identical challenges in Italy, France, Germany...

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PostSubject: Re: 1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour   1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour Icon_minitimeThu Oct 11, 2007 12:17 am

Some arguments in favor of increasing the number of BIGs:

Important Note: Increasing the number of BIGs in our list does not mean
we have no longer a closed list, the list is just a bit
BIGger!

There are two main problems that I see that we cannot fix if we stick to the current number of 1000 BIGs:

1st Problem:
Currently BIGs are not distributed correctly over the countries:
Zones 10&11 have a quota of just 125 BIGs and this is way too low compared to for instance Zone 05 (only France) which has 175 BIGs.
Zone 04 (Germany) has 50 BIGs but is much larger than zone 06 (Spain&Portugal) or zone 09 (Italy) that both have 150 BIGs.

Solution:
Increase the number of BIGs so we can assign the correct amount of BIGs to every country without decreasing the existing quota of others.

2nd Problem:
Not all Eastern European countries are in our list.

Solution:
Increase the number of BIGs so we can add the missing countries to the list and assign BIGs to them.

The change that is currently suggested, to remove the Turkish BIGs and assign these to these countries, is just a partial repair action, the main problem will still exist.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour   1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour Icon_minitimeThu Oct 11, 2007 11:37 am

I think the 1000 BIGs it's enough. This is a really number.

Bigest question is a rate. Idea
There are big countries a lot of mountains like a France, Spain.
There are big countries not so much mountains like a Poland, Belorus.
What is more a little countries a lot of mountains like a Liechtenstein and Andorra.

We will need a rate allow for a country size and a mountains mark. We will get a number/country like an Europian Parlament agents.

Maybe this method will be too regular.
In my humble opinion example Austria deserve 75 BIGs more than Germany.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour   1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour Icon_minitimeFri Oct 26, 2007 12:12 pm

From François CANDAU,

I also think 1000 is enough. Imagine you really intend to complete the challenge and that you are forty years old (I wish I were !). It means that I should do an 33 average claims every year during the next 30 years all over Europe and beyond.
I think it is hard enough !

As for the "principle of equality" I am against. I think that from now on with the Superlist any beginner in the challenge will talk about the same ascent corresponding to a definite number and that is good for exchange beetween them and clarity of the challenge.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour   1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour Icon_minitimeTue Jun 03, 2008 7:24 pm

1000 je pense que c'est un nombre raisonnable...
Plus ce serait beaucoup trop et en plus cela voudrait dire que l'on en rajouterait dans des zones déjà finies par certains participants qui seraient forcés de retourner dans certaines régions pour 1 ou 2 B.I.G.s ou de les abandonner.
Moins se seraient enlever des B.I.G.s déjà réalisés par des cyclistes et puis il ne faut pas tomber dans la facilité lol!
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il y a assez de travail avec 1000 Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour   1.000 BIGs or more one day/ ou plus un jour Icon_minitimeTue Oct 07, 2008 2:30 am

I think one could keep 1000 BIG and still include more BIGs -- "how is that?" you wonder. Well, one could have several alternative climbs for each BIG. Idea - Just a thought! I also think there should be more BIGs in countries with more interesting/difficult/beautiful road climbs. However, I realise we are a "Eurocentric" club in the end ... . /Jerry

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1000!! Ca doit rester mythique Wink
It has to stay a myth! Wink

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Pour moi, 1000 c'est très bien, ... pour les mêmes raisons que celles évoquées plus haut.
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